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Hello Mahmoud

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why you didn't inform police about what he did ? but because he is your friend you shut your mouth up..right ?and again you are listening to some idiots..and taking your infos from them.you afford what is happening then.

I wonder about your way of writing. Have I written that this guy is a friend of mine? He worked in this Diving Center as an instructor and as I had worked there as well – but I am only a Dive Master – I didn't go to complain anywhere.

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and no one will rob you,harrassements ..ahh huh..what is your definition about this word ? guys are coming closer to you and hold your hand by force
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And what is that? You have never seen any harassment in Hurghada? How do you call it when you go to buy something and this guy is looking at you and at the same time touching this part of the body that causes problems to him. I have never ever seen so many men like here in Egypt touching their 'best friend' in public and rub it in front of women shamelessly. What do you call it when you go by minibus and the guy besides you makes himself so fat that he nearly sits on you? When you complain loudly and the other passengers turn he makes himself small and shows the face of an innocent one who doesn't understand what is going on. And what about when you are about to choose some cucumber from a greengrocer's and somebody takes the chance to grab your ass? I can give you a long list of what I call harrasment.

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Mahmoud is a complete hypocrite -

He was very nice when I posted my story, and talked to another woman (French) who had been stolen 4000 from the same EHAB SHADY - and promised to help her - talk to her lawyer, and find Ehab's family in Mansoura.

He never followed up.

Now he is back on this website, telling us women that our experiences are not real, and that we haven't been harassed, and that if someone lost money it is their fault. He also (if you look above) called me a stupid whore, which is unforgiveable.

Mind you, this man-child was asking me to ICQ with him last week. I happen to be a very busy professional, and frankly, I don't use ICQ, because I dont have the time to play with ICQ. If I want to talk to a girlfriend, or to a man I'm dating, I use the telephone (like a grown-up) :wink: . I also am not interested in flirting with Mahmoud, so that is another reason not to ICQ or email him.

One week later, he is back, in all his 26 years of Egyptian wisdom, telling this entire forum that there are no problems in Egypt.

I'm not even going to get angry at this silly little boy - I'll let all the rest of you Russian ladies have some fun with him. Please, consider it my open invitation for all of you to explain to dear sweet little Mahmoud that his blessed country is not perfect. And that you cannot blame victims for having had carefully organized crimes perpetrated in their lives.

Mahmoud - if you really are a man - then contact Lilou_Egypt, and help her to get her papers from her lawyer, as you promised. Stop coming here and acting like such a hot-shot and talking crap, when you don't follow-up on your promises (which by the way, is VERY Egyptian - all talk, no action).


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Hello Mahmoud

And what is that? You have never seen any harassment in Hurghada?


Elli,

I don't think that Mahmoud has ever BEEN to Hurghada. He is an engineer, and lives in Cairo. He probably lives with his parents, and he is basically talking out of his imagination.

He is probably bored, has no girlfriend, and so his idea of fun is sitting on this site, and telling a lot of foreign women what he thinks.

He promised to help a French woman (Lilou_Egypt) who stole from me too, but he just didn't do it.

He is all talk and NO ACTION. Like most Egyptians, he is a lot of empty promises. I don't mean that all Egyptians lie or steal - they don't. But even the nicer Egyptians are not terribly efficient, and they always say "yes, yes" but then they don't DO WHATEVER THEY PROMISED unless you are standing behind them while they do it (or unless they are forced to do it by another Egyptian).

I've spent time working in Cairo, as well as meeting all the scam-masters in Hurghada, so I know what I'm talking about. 8)


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thanks Magnon for all your insults to me..look..i never said about you syupid whore.. never said it..and never thought of it ..we are supposed to be friends,and i really respect you..and my words were not against you..but i am not supposed to say AMEN after what all you said.. i was just expressing my views and thoughts ,not more not less,i didn't say that my opinion is the right one and your thoughts are wrong.. i respect others opinions for sure.. really magnon i was just trying to tell why those people did so to you.. not blaming you and absolving these guys from their badness.

About Lilou..well.. i spoke to her lawyer and her friends and asked them for the papers.. and i called her lawyer for over 3 times..and he promised he will be at cairo.. but he was always saying i am busy and i can't come to cairo now..and then lilou stopped talking to me.. and she didn't follow up with me. alright.. i accept to call them again-as a man- not because i am working for you of have any benefits from any thing.

You Said alot of words to me..young,silly,kid,and others..again.. thanks ..i will say god bless you.

about me don't have a girl friend that's why i am doing so here and claiming that egypt is perfect.. that's not right.. i said in my posts.. there are somethings bad and somethings good.. i never said egypt is perfect..and no country in this whole world is perfect.

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really magnon i was just trying to tell why those people did so to you.. not blaming you and absolving these guys from their badness.


So you weren't blaming women for being scammed? Really?
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well it is ridiculous that such ages can be seduced.. the error in them


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And you Are Smart.. and an idiot scammer uneducated scammed you.. then what do you call your self ?


You call yourself my friend? MY friends don't talk to me like this. EVER. I don't blame you, because I think of you as I said: young, culturally-limited, unsophisticated, and immature. I doubt that years will make a difference in your opinions, however. It has to do with your culture and how you are raised. So I don't take your words to heart. I think that your viewpoint is very limited, and I take your words in that context. But I also don't consider you a friend because you have insulted me.

To whine at me (like a little child) for insulting you (because you insulted me first) is just pathetic. (but understandable)

Hint: You might try apologizing first.

You are totally out of your depth.

About the Lilou_Egypt story. If you are willing to wait for someone to "come to Cairo" that is silly. Why can't he mail the documents to you? Why are you so passive? You could find someone going to Hurghada to get the documents for you (I'm sure you know people going there) or you could send a car there, or you could go yourself. Get some creativity.

Egyptians are FAR too passive. In Shallah means "I don't have to raise a finger" for most of them. How about having a bit of personal responsibility, instead of all this hot air you blow out of yourself in these posts?

THEN (and after apololgizing to me) you might be taken seriously here. Until then.....

Foreget it.


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Talented scammer or Stupid whore ? contradictions always in YOU.


Here is the offensive post to me. I consider this VERY insulting.


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Hint: You might try apologizing first.


Mahmoud -
I got your private email, apologizing to me.

But private apologies aren't good enough if you've insulted me publicly.

That is how it works.


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Talented scammer or Stupid whore ? contradictions always in YOU.


Here is the offensive post to me. I consider this VERY insulting.


Magnon,

Here in this post i didn't mean to offend you.. all i meant is you said before that this guy is idiot.. then you said he is talented..so i was saying is he " Talented scammer " or " Stupid whore " ? i was asking you.

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This is my Private message to Magnon !

Hello Friend ?

Thanks for insulting me.. but be sure.. i never said to you a stupid whore.. and can't say it.. for i respect you..since day one which we spoke to each other.

and when i asked to speak to you at any messenger.. all i meant that we to speak about your views or discussing my views,not more not less..you have your own experience and i never doubted it,may be i am young.. may be i am not smart ,but we can discuss.. that's what i wanted to say it to you while speaking at any messenger.

again.. if i offended you accidentally.. be sure i didn't mean it..and again.. i never said those 2 words of St*** Who*** to you.

Thanks Magnon,

Mahmoud

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So you weren't blaming women for being scammed? Really?
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well it is ridiculous that such ages can be seduced.. the error in them



All what i know that old people 50-60 ..Are a Mature people.. so it was at least for me something new to know that these ages can be suduced.and when i said error in them.. i was saying a thought ..is it a problem to say my thoughts ?

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Talented scammer or Stupid whore ? contradictions always in YOU.


Here is the offensive post to me. I consider this VERY insulting.


Magnon,

Here in this post i didn't mean to offend you.. all i meant is you said before that this guy is idiot.. then you said he is talented..so i was saying is he " Talented scammer " or " Stupid whore " ? i was asking you.


HA. Both. He is very talented at scamming. And he is a whore who is too stupid to use his personality-skills for something that is ever more satisfying (to a human being) that parasiting of other people.

He'd make a lot more money if he used those same skills to create a business, or whatever. He is too stupid to do that.

Thanks for allowing me to clarify.


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This is my Private message to Magnon !

Hello Friend ?

Thanks for insulting me.. but be sure.. i never said to you a stupid whore.. and can't say it.. for i respect you..since day one which we spoke to each other.

and when i asked to speak to you at any messenger.. all i meant that we to speak about your views or discussing my views,not more not less..you have your own experience and i never doubted it,may be i am young.. may be i am not smart ,but we can discuss.. that's what i wanted to say it to you while speaking at any messenger.

again.. if i offended you accidentally.. be sure i didn't mean it..and again.. i never said those 2 words of St*** Who*** to you.

Thanks Magnon,

Mahmoud


Ok Mahmoud. Thank you. Apologies accepted. I apologize for calling you names too. However, you really have to try to see things from someone else's perspective. You aren't a woman, and the position is VERY different. Especially in your culture, especially for foreign women in your culture.


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So you weren't blaming women for being scammed? Really?
mahmoud wrote:

well it is ridiculous that such ages can be seduced.. the error in them



All what i know that old people 50-60 ..Are a Mature people.. so it was at least for me something new to know that these ages can be suduced.and when i said error in them.. i was saying a thought ..is it a problem to say my thoughts ?


Well, since your thoughts were that "it is their fault for being scammed" then you won't have a problem with my thoughts being "you are blaming them for being scammed".

If someone (like Shady) makes a career out of scamming, they are pretty good at it. They do it everyday. And I don't blame the people they fool. I blame them for doing it. He should be in prison.

Frankly, most of the Hurghada scammers aren't as good as him, in my opinion. But anyways.

Age doesn't make someone safe from scammers. In my country there is an entire industry of people who try to steal the savings of old persons: get their trust, run off with their old-age savings.

The problem I have with Egypt is that this happens OFTEN in Sharm and Hurghada, and there is no institutional response to it - it is ignored, effectively, and the courts and police and judges aren't very prepared or trained to deal with it well.

I think that at some point this will change - but someone has to go and fix it. It is a HUGE problem, and will eventually hurt your tourist industry, when it becomes famous - and in time, it will become famous.

That is when your government will bother to fix it. When they perceive it as a problem that could hurt their economy.

The same with the Luxor killings. You see how FAST they reacted? It was obviously a problem. The problems in Hurghada and Sharm are not well advertised (most of the women hurt don't know how to organize themselves - in fact , this forum is a beginning to that kind of organizing, though it isn't backed by political power - right now it is only TALK).

Sometime there will be a government approach to this problem.

The Egyptian government tries to do the right thing - but there are a lot of problems at present. You are reading about them on these boards.


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This is just to inform you folks that this talk has long gone offtopic and I'll be considering where to move it in the next day or two. Meanwhile feel free to continue discussion and have in mind that if you don't find the posts here it means I've just moved 'em somewhere and look around for their new location.
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This is just to inform you folks that this talk has long gone offtopic and I'll be considering where to move it in the next day or two. Meanwhile feel free to continue discussion and have in mind that if you don't find the posts here it means I've just moved 'em somewhere and look around for their new location.
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Ok - sorry. Don't move your talk about Osman - we'll move, if we need to. I think that the arguments are finished.

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Ok - sorry. Don't move your talk about Osman - we'll move, if we need to. I think that the arguments are finished.
I'll split the topic and move the offtopic posts to form a new discussion.
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hello all,

the discussion has become very interesting.
please go on like this!

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This is just to inform you folks that this talk has long gone offtopic and I'll be considering where to move it in the next day or two. Meanwhile feel free to continue discussion and have in mind that if you don't find the posts here it means I've just moved 'em somewhere and look around for their new location.
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Ok - sorry. Don't move your talk about Osman - we'll move, if we need to. I think that the arguments are finished.

Magnon


I fully agree with you Magnon.

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